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and now under the show today on the

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first installment of the Halloween

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series we talked to Chris Susi

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paranormal investigator and master ghost

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story teller most fascinating

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phenomenons to me are people who really

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really want to see ghosts or UFOs or

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something but never do that phenomenon

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is fascinating to me because I wonder is

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there an inhibiting factor to it and

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what I've learned from many of them is

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that they have a genuine disbelief what

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they're looking for is something to make

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them believe and it's I don't think it

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works that way I don't think that seeing

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is believing I think it's believing is

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this is somewhere in the skies the bride

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welcome to the Halloween season of

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summer in the skies I'm your host Ryan

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Sprague and for the rest of the month of

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October we're gonna be taking a little

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break from searching somewhere in the

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skies and we're going to be looking at

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the mysteries that haunt us somewhere on

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the ground from ghosts to monsters to

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chew crimes and urban legends it's going

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to be a spooky tragic fun and possibly

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even terrifying journey as we count down

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the days until Halloween you'll hear

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from listeners at the beginning of every

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episode about their own personal

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interactions with the unexplained the

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weird and the creatures that lurk in the

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darkest corners of our world and our

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minds today we're going to hear from

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paranormal investigator and professional

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storyteller Chris Susi all about his

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ghostly adventures around the world but

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first here is a listener story from

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Allen you won't soon forget my name is

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Allen I'm a paranormal researcher and

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investigator I've been studying

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paranormal phenomena for over 20 years

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I've been on over 150 investigations but

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nothing was going to prepare me for when

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I got the call to investigate an old

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tattoo parlor now this old tattoo parlor

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resided inside a historical building

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that was on the Main Street of a very

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conservative Christian town

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so it wasn't universally liked and most

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people hoped that they would go out of

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business and leave when I contacted the

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owner to find out what was going on he

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did tell me indeed he was financially

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struggling struggling because he was

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having a hard time keeping artists

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employed there because of the phenomena

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that was happening so I asked him you

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know what kind of things are going on he

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said everything from being shoved and

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pushed and scratched and hair being

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pulled and posters being ripped off the

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wall and religious items that were left

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behind from the mortuary being used as

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decorations ripped off the wall thrown

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on the ground people feeling physically

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people claiming to have things follow

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them home you know everything that you

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can think of so obviously we were

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intrigued and we wanted to investigate

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it so we agreed to come out and

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investigate I gathered my team in my

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equipment and we went down to

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investigate this old tattoo parlor and

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one of the things that I like to do when

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I investigate is I like to go in first

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by myself to kind of get a feel for the

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place to get an understanding of what

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the vibe is like also it's a vulnerable

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thing I'm exposing myself to supposed

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spirits that are inside this building

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and I don't know where they are and I'm

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in complete darkness and I can't see

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them coming if they're coming and so

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it's it's a vulnerability that I really

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really enjoy and I think it helps with

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spirit communication so I went down into

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the waiting room which used to be the

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embalming room and I sat down on the

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couch I got out my my digital voice

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recorder to try to capture spirit voices

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one of the things that I did is I put my

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arms straight out to my side and I

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started to communicate and I asked if

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there's any spirits here that want to

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communicate with me please come to me

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now I give you permission to use my body

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or the equipment that I have here to

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muster up enough energy to physically

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touch my hand because I know you can do

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some physical things and I'd like to

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experience that myself and right as I

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said that I felt this extremely cold

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sensation come across the top of my hand

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and that cold sensation turned a very

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warm sensation to a very stinging

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sensation like a burn I got my

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flashlight out and I looked at the top

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of my hand and the whole top of my hand

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was bright red like somebody had just

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smacked the top of my hand and right as

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that happened I got sick to my stomach I

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felt like a 300-pound weight just got

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put on my body I couldn't get up I

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couldn't move and then I heard this

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voice in my head and it said get out

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you're not supposed to be here what are

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you doing here leave and as much as I

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wanted to I couldn't move I felt

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paralyzed I felt just completely in a

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different world my team was was trying

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to contact me they were concerned I

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wasn't aware that day had actually come

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the room and called me by my name three

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or four times before I even recognized

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they were there I was in a trance where

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did I go what was i experiencing who was

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doing this to me it scared me so bad

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that I left that place and I said I

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can't investigate here tonight this

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thing has got ahold of me I can't go

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back in there so we decided to cancel

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the investigation for the night and come

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back in another time so I went home and

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typically when I get home I get sage out

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which is something that I burn and the

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smoke I use to kind of get off the

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negative energies that are around me so

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that I don't bring anything to my into

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my home because I have a family a wife

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and daughter and I didn't want to bring

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any harm to them but for some reason

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that night I was so out of it that I

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forgot to sage myself before I went in

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the house so I go down and I lay in bed

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next to my wife and my two little dogs

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at the foot of my bed and I start to go

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to sleep and I hear this voice say hey

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and it sounded just like the voice in

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the tattoo parlor and I open my eyes and

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looked around and thought all it's just

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because I got all messed up from earlier

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so it's nothing really I'm just gonna go

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back to sleep so I started to go back to

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sleep again and then I hear it again Hey

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and this time I opened my eyes and look

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at the foot of my bed and my two little

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dogs are also looking at the foot of my

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bed like they heard it too and I knew

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that I wasn't crazy and just then I see

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this shadow figure at the other side of

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my room come out of the wall and go

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right into the middle of the room like

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it's just looking right at me and then

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it slowly drifted back into the wall and

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then it did it again it came out of the

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wall and walked right into the middle of

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the room and I didn't realize that my

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wife was awake and she whispers to me

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what in the hell is that and I said I

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don't know and it just kind of

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disappeared so the very next day

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everything was fine couple days after

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that everything was fine and then one

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night my daughter comes into my room

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middle of the night and she says dad

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there's a shadow figure in my room

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watching me and obviously you know I

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think she's a little kid so she's

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probably just her imagination in the

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back of my mind it makes me wonder and

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of course so I went into her room

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to find out what was going on and just

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kind of hear what she had to say and as

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I was leaving her room after I put her

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in bed and made her feel comfortable is

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coming back to my room there's that

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shadow figure I see it dart down my

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hallway and I'm and I knew that my

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daughter had seen it what was it why did

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this thing follow me home what did it do

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why is it still here I couldn't couldn't

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grasp it I'm a paranormal investigator

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I'm supposed to be the one with the

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answers I'm supposed to be the one that

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knows what to do but I've never had

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anything attach itself to me I had never

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had anything come to me and stay with me

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in my home I didn't know what to do and

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then I realized that we're really

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vulnerable in this field and we're all

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just trying to figure this out

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so I contacted a local psychic my area

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who I've worked with in the past and she

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came out and she informed me and she

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said you got yourself involved in

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something that you shouldn't have and

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you didn't protect yourself and then I

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immediately clicked oh yeah I didn't say

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to myself when I came home and so

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because of that fact this spirit had

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attached itself to me and was using my

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energy to manifest and do things in my

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own home and so she went and she got her

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sage and we saged my entire house we

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saged my daughter's room we saged

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everywhere and saved everybody that was

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in the house and after a couple of days

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the activity slowly dissipated until it

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was gone

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so I'm sitting here thinking to myself

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what was it that I was dealing with what

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was it that I experienced who was it

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that was in my mind and the only thing I

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can think of is the spirits that were in

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this mortuary maybe it was the mortician

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that used to live there maybe it was one

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of the spirits of one of the people that

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had died maybe I was showing disrespect

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I don't know I can't explain what it was

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other than to say that the veil between

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our world and the next is a lot thinner

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than you think

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well for anyone who's met me you know

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I've got to make so I know where I'm

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going for my next tattoo as long as it's

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a living breathing human being

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putting that needle on my skin thank you

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so much to Ellen for sharing this story

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and I know he has many more to tell so

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stay tuned for that in the near future

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and now let's get to this week's gasp of

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guests during a brief expedition through

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the south

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I had the immense pleasure of landing in

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one of the most beautiful cities in

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America Savannah Georgia separated from

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South Carolina by the Savannah River

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this coastal city is known for its

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pristine manicured parks or strong

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carriages in Antebellum architecture its

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historic district is filled with

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cobblestone squares and parks shaded by

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oak trees covered with Spanish moss at

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the center of this picturesque district

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is the landmark Gothic Revival Cathedral

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of st. John the Baptist but below the

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beautiful surface of downtown Savannah

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lay a history wrought with controversy

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tragedy and a death toll beyond

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imagination I gathered the courage to

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stay at the 1790 hotel no to be on today

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and while I didn't experience anything

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paranormal or ghostly during my stay

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there I did have the rare opportunity to

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have an exclusive ghost tour by the

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city's leading guide and storyteller

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Chris Susie Chris brought me through the

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winding streets full of history but they

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were also full of stories so brutal is

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so tragic that you could feel the

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spirits all around you beckoning to be

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heard below our feet at local cemeteries

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were thousands in thousands of bodies

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their lives and names never known to

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those above the ground but as we made

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our way around the graveyards the local

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businesses theatres in the homes

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vanna their stories begin to take shape

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to the genuine and sympathetic words of

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a master storyteller today I'm joined by

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Shen and LaGrone of into the fray radio

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and Midna in the desert as my co-host we

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hear about some of Kriss Suzie's most

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memorable moments in investigating the

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paranormal the history of ghosts and the

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supernatural throughout Savannah and we

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hear the terrifying stories of the dark

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forces that got Kris involved that

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followed him throughout his life in how

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he and we all can approach these

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mysteries that lay somewhere on and

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below the ground I hope you enjoy thanks

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for joining us today Chris thank you so

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Chris what is your I guess origin story

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as it were on how you got interested in

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investigating ghost cases the story as I

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tell it is actually begins when I was 6

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years old when I was six years old I

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haphazardly went into a old abandoned

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house in Amberg Germany and the house

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itself just spoke of being haunted you

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look at certain houses and you see them

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and you think oh that place has

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definitely got to be haunted and and

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this was just one of them that an old

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gray you know boarded up house and it

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was actually at the prompting of one of

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my friends who was significantly older

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than me

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and you know we were all military brats

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and so we kind of lived in this gypsy

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lifestyle and you know going out and

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investigating and poking around

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that's just second nature to us and

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there was this house just off of the

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military base that that had every

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indication that it was an adventure

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waiting to happen

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and as it turned out it was a completely

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scarring and damaging adventure it was

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this terrible and frightening building

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that kind of scarred me in a way left me

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with this question that I I carry with

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me all my life this this sensation that

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there's more that there's more to the

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world than we can see

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understand and then and the pursuit of

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understanding it is worth the danger

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what brought you to Georgia then Curtis

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um well being a military child we

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bounced around all over the world

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I actually ended up graduating high

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school about 45 miles south of Savannah

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Georgia and then I joined the army

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myself so again sort of bouncing around

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the world but at the end of all that

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bouncing there was this weird sensation

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that I didn't have a home that there was

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no no place that was beckoning me or

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calling to me and and my sister had had

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made this attempt a truce and she

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decided that she didn't want to move

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around anymore she didn't want to bounce

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around anymore so she just like dug in

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here in Savannah Georgia

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I had my heard that's so much and I felt

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that the only home I have is family

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so so I came to be close to her and it

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was originally going to be just like a

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you know two or three year stint but

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it's it's been over 20 years now

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Oh Chris do you mind if I back you up to

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your your previous statement about the

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house and I don't know if you feel

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comfortable talking about it but yeah

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it's kind of like I don't think I can

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let that go do you mind talking about

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what happened in that house that got you

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started on this path oh no not at all

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it was me and my friend Dave David and

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we basically went in through the

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basement of this house and inside the

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house

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it was kind of this pitch-black wreckage

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and it was in the middle of it the day

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that we started this this adventure but

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having snuck into the basement window

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there was no way back out the window

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because it was a drop down into the

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basement and the window itself is very

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swollen we couldn't get back up out of

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it now David actually went before me and

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so I was following him and we were

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separated and I spent all this time in

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the house alone trying to find him and

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going floor by floor through this

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darkened and and very atmospheric house

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I I felt all this dread this this dread

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that was indescribable being six years

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old not understanding the world not

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understanding anything

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all I felt was the peril of the place

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and I could not find my friend and I

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found myself up on the second floor in a

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little shaft of light that was coming

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through from one window that wasn't

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boarded up and I just clung to the light

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and I stayed there as the Sun set as the

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night came on as the streetlights were

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the only thing that we're coming through

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that window and it made it all dim and

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frightening and scary and there's all

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these strange sounds and it's my I I

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would say I was there for eight hours

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but all I know is I was that there into

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the night and in the Silence of the

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night I began to hear these sounds it

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started with chains rattling which even

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as a six year old mostly mental old

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cliche and it was heavy footsteps just

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these booming footsteps and it felt like

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they were coming right at me but it was

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on the ceiling and then there was this

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pristine scream this high-pitched

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chilling scream and I realized into the

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scream that it was David screaming and

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then and he comes pounding through the

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wall or what appeared to be the wall he

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just came running out in front of me

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screaming of course you know when one

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person screams everyone screamed so I'm

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screaming and we rush out of the house

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now he goes barreling down the stairs

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and he was nine years old he's bigger

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than me and he goes barreling down the

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stairs and he hits a nailed shut door

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with such force that he knocks it off

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the hinges

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and he keeps going so I'm running past

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him I get out of the house I'm you know

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full of all the panic but once I'm out

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of the house I'm fine I feel okay but

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David's gone he's you know he's still

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running

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now David did not come back to school

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not the next day not the next day not

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ever I would go and try to visit him and

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there was no sign of him his mother

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would never let me see him and from that

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night forward I had these terrible

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horrible nightmares these nightmares I

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guess they were innocuous I would have

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these dreams where

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there was a chest of drawers that would

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appear in my dreams and whenever the

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chest of drawers would appear my dreams

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I would be compelled to go to them I'd

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be compelled to open them and inside the

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drawers were gore blood and guts and all

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these things which it would take me a

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long time to understand or comprehend

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but it didn't look like anything that I

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could understand but I knew it made me

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sick I knew that it made me uneasy and

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horrified but there was no way of

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knowing what it was a lot of people

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don't understand that the inside of the

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human body isn't just red you know it's

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not just blood and all the organs are

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red everything there's all these colors

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he's invisible and men hidden colors

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from us and and that's what was in this

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drawer this is terrible secret colors of

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the human body and so it would take me

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two years before I would see David again

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and when I when I saw him it was the day

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before he left Germany I went over to

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his house because I couldn't let him get

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away without talking to me and he told

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me that when we got into the house when

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he first dipped into that house he heard

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children's laughter and he followed the

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children's laughter through the house

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until he found himself in the Attic

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behind what was a sort of a swinging

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door that looked like a piece of the

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wall and once he was up into the attic

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he found this chest of drawers how many

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said that you know my stomach just

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tightened and I tried to shake it and he

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said that he felt like drawn to go to

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the chest at Joe Parrs bazzie is walking

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towards a chest of drawers he saw in the

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corner a man that looked like like he

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had never eaten food he was just like

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all bones and skin and he was just like

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coming out of the shadows towards him

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and he was laden with chains and I

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remember hearing the chains I remember

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the footsteps I never saw David again

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after that day you know the habit of

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military families moving about there's

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just no no reconnecting so another two

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years would go by the nightmares still

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plaguing me almost

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I was a very young insomniac and in that

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time the nightmares

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starting pretty much when I was six or

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seven years old I started looking for a

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really scary things I started wanting

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and urging myself to go into the black

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forest or oh that place is haunted

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although I'm looking there it's funny

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because I don't think kids could do that

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today but in the 70s when you're a kid

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with all I don't know Huck Finn and Tom

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Sawyer adventures you just leave in the

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morning me back before the lights go oh

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so I around anywhere that there was a

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haunting it and it took me years to

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understand that what I was trying to do

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is I was trying to find something that

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scared me more than that house I was

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trying to cure myself of my nightmares

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by giving me new nightmares finding

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monsters to fight my monsters and would

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you go back to that house now if you had

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the chance

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three years ago just three years ago we

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went back to amber for the first time

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and I tried to find a house but it was a

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weird made Hisoka memory and even the

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company the military base itself was

543
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:08,560
gone and I wanted to but I couldn't find

544
00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:11,290
it my guess is it's gone my guess is

545
00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:14,440
that it is no more probably for the

546
00:23:20,910 --> 00:23:17,980
better well you know it's interesting

547
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,920
because just before we left Germany I

548
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:22,720
did go back to that house I did go back

549
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:25,690
just to see it just to to acknowledge

550
00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:28,810
that it existed by happenstance there

551
00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:32,350
was a landscape person there or maybe

552
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:36,550
the the houses caretaker and and he

553
00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:38,170
explained that they didn't want to tear

554
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:42,460
it down because it was reminiscent of a

555
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:46,090
bad time and then he explained that a

556
00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:49,260
man murdered his family in the house

557
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:53,830
what he did is well and and the

558
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:56,290
explanation was the Nazis were coming

559
00:24:00,960 --> 00:23:58,810
for his family and he did not know what

560
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:00,970
to do he did not know how to protect

561
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:03,610
them and so he chopped them up and hid

562
00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:06,790
them in the house do you think there's

563
00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:09,820
any written record of that anywhere find

564
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:11,040
out it I honest

565
00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:14,580
we do I mean I've casually looked for it

566
00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:16,560
I've casually tried to find it but in

567
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,030
essence most stories come down to what

568
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:23,520
people say and talk about you know

569
00:24:27,650 --> 00:24:25,170
because we're all I know that's just

570
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:27,660
some crazy guy who you know wanted to

571
00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:30,330
scare a little kid on the side right oh

572
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:31,920
we could definitely relate with that

573
00:24:36,650 --> 00:24:34,650
Chris I mean with these topics we always

574
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:36,660
find that really all we have to rely on

575
00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:39,450
is what witness testimony so we're with

576
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:40,800
you on that brother I have definitely

577
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:43,410
you know done the I'll find the

578
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:45,570
newspaper article I'll find this and and

579
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:47,730
like in the in the business of telling

580
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:49,710
ghost stories it's always handy to have

581
00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:53,010
that and in many cases you know that's

582
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:55,830
that's what makes a ghost story tell

583
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,290
about is Owen I have this you know this

584
00:25:02,810 --> 00:24:59,760
little bit of information I have this

585
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:02,820
little thing but in essence most ghost

586
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:06,120
stories are not that convenient there's

587
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:09,780
not this great written you know history

588
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:11,610
to back you up because people's lives

589
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,010
are not documented so well I mean I

590
00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:16,440
guess nowadays if you know with with

591
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:18,390
with the way we document our own lives

592
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,850
it might actually be easier for future

593
00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:24,240
people to find on a daily basis

594
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:26,280
yeah the corroboration between you and

595
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:28,500
David though it's fascinating well

596
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:31,890
speaking about history kurz um the

597
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,250
history of John Town Savannah is clearly

598
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:36,600
undeniable underneath the ground there

599
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:39,480
there lays many many stories of tragedy

600
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,570
why do many consider Savannah are one of

601
00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:44,400
the most haunted places in America in

602
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,830
terms of that there are a lot of beliefs

603
00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:49,260
as to why places are haunted and in many

604
00:25:54,610 --> 00:25:52,380
regards as far as I'm concerned one of

605
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,620
the things that goes hand-in-hand with

606
00:26:02,420 --> 00:25:58,320
ghost stories is an unchanged

607
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:02,430
environment old houses old buildings

608
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:05,400
long histories one of things you always

609
00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:07,800
hear about is like ghosts getting kind

610
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,660
of riled when you're doing renovations

611
00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:12,120
and it's my belief that while you're

612
00:26:16,550 --> 00:26:14,550
renovating you are changing an

613
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:16,560
environment that the spirits actually

614
00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:20,940
use to real present their energy and and

615
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,080
keep their energy vibrant

616
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:24,880
and if you change that environment than

617
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:27,490
their hold on this world the physical

618
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:31,090
world will be continuous now downtown

619
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:32,320
Savannah happens to be one of the

620
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:35,049
largest historic districts continuous

621
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:37,570
continuous historic districts in America

622
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,890
it is a mile by mile square of solid

623
00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:44,159
these buildings have been here since and

624
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:46,840
they are the same way the streets are

625
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,370
the same way the squares are the same

626
00:26:56,669 --> 00:26:52,240
all of these things hearken to an idea

627
00:26:58,379 --> 00:26:56,679
that energy remains in flow as long as

628
00:27:01,259 --> 00:26:58,389
there is something to flow through as

629
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,269
long as you don't put up new building as

630
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,279
long as you don't change the streets too

631
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:04,720
much as long as you don't do all these

632
00:27:10,049 --> 00:27:07,480
things you are given this opportunity to

633
00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:10,059
have energy that has been flowing the

634
00:27:16,379 --> 00:27:12,700
same way for hundreds of years

635
00:27:18,899 --> 00:27:16,389
I do believe as an impart Savannah does

636
00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:18,909
have such a remarkable haunted history

637
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,120
is that they have made stringent laws

638
00:27:25,889 --> 00:27:23,919
against the changing of anything

639
00:27:30,539 --> 00:27:25,899
historical in Savannah that it is a

640
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:30,549
large and dedicated historic space yeah

641
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:34,450
I mean my first time being there Chris I

642
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:36,610
had traveled through colonial Park

643
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:39,100
Cemetery during the day and you know

644
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:41,289
just like any cemetery it was um it was

645
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:43,590
sad it was a little own you know

646
00:27:49,139 --> 00:27:46,450
depressing walking through but at night

647
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:49,149
it took on a completely different beast

648
00:27:55,289 --> 00:27:52,690
and your tour stopped at this at this

649
00:27:57,629 --> 00:27:55,299
location um could you tell us a bit

650
00:28:00,990 --> 00:27:57,639
about colonial Park Cemetery and the the

651
00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:01,000
lore behind the cemetery sits right

652
00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:03,220
there at the center part of downtown

653
00:28:09,779 --> 00:28:06,820
Savannah and it is a curious Cemetery

654
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,789
great to be sure they they remark that

655
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,679
there are over 11,000 bodies in the

656
00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:13,840
cemetery but only like seven and a

657
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:18,070
hundred grave marker one of the most

658
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:21,970
enduring beliefs in ghosts is don't mess

659
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,710
with the graves you're not disturb the

660
00:28:29,009 --> 00:28:26,340
graves show notice to the graves this is

661
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:29,019
partly why we have cemeteries is to show

662
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:31,090
respect for the dead when you do

663
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:34,809
anything that alters that respect or

664
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:36,250
alters that

665
00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:41,820
of solemnity you are dealing with a

666
00:28:47,539 --> 00:28:45,820
harbinger of haunting so in Kelowna Park

667
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:47,549
Cemetery there have been so many

668
00:28:54,419 --> 00:28:51,070
recorded mischiefs and and bizarre

669
00:28:57,630 --> 00:28:54,429
occurrences one of the most recent that

670
00:29:01,560 --> 00:28:57,640
that came such a fascinating note was a

671
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:01,570
night in 2004 there were a massive

672
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:05,049
primal slaughter really inside the

673
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:07,960
cemetery uh cats and chickens and dogs

674
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,610
and all kinds of different animals that

675
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:12,640
were just found butchered in the

676
00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:14,710
cemetery and many people believed that

677
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:20,350
it was a part of some voodoo like ritual

678
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,470
some doctoring ritual because the

679
00:29:29,159 --> 00:29:25,360
cemetery itself has so much of that

680
00:29:30,419 --> 00:29:29,169
vibrant energy that you need from what

681
00:29:33,330 --> 00:29:30,429
it's definitely called a Garden of Good

682
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:33,340
and Evil from a cemetery where spirits

683
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:35,380
are restless where you can contain or

684
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:38,559
collect or find these these spiritual

685
00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:42,340
entities and and so Chloe Park Cemetery

686
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:44,380
which is a public park is actually

687
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:47,260
locked from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m.

688
00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:49,929
trying to bar a lot of people from going

689
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:52,270
in and vandalizing it has a long history

690
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:54,820
of vandalism that's a long history of

691
00:29:59,789 --> 00:29:57,130
people being just supremely

692
00:30:01,950 --> 00:29:59,799
disrespectful to it increases is voodoo

693
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:01,960
prominently practiced there in Savannah

694
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:05,890
oh absolutely I have always believed

695
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:10,240
even more so than New Orleans it is just

696
00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:13,240
held in a very secretive fashion and I

697
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:16,360
think that they really don't fun into

698
00:30:21,539 --> 00:30:19,030
hiding in the last 20 years because of

699
00:30:22,289 --> 00:30:21,549
the book Midnight in the Garden good and

700
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:22,299
evil

701
00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:24,850
I remember coming to Savannah and being

702
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:27,640
able to go to looted shops these movie

703
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:30,280
shops were not tourist locations they

704
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:33,070
were shops for the faithful there are

705
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:34,750
shops for the people who practice this

706
00:30:39,539 --> 00:30:36,970
faith and it is a faith and a religion

707
00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:39,549
and therefore it was interesting to see

708
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:42,940
that there was an openness about voodoo

709
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:45,130
voodoo practice here in Savannah but it

710
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:47,470
was not touted it was not celebrated it

711
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:48,630
was not

712
00:30:55,399 --> 00:30:52,529
Sol so when people started coming on the

713
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:55,409
stories of you know Minerva the voodoo

714
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:56,850
witch and all these stories that were

715
00:31:01,249 --> 00:30:59,100
coming around they kind of closed shop

716
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:01,259
because they didn't want this tourist

717
00:31:04,539 --> 00:31:02,940
dollar they didn't want people to just

718
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,549
come rooting through their stores and

719
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:07,320
and taking their faith and turning it

720
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:10,380
into you know Kitsch so a lot of the

721
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:12,630
voodoo practitioners of Savannah kind of

722
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:14,279
packed with them like just across the

723
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:16,610
bridge into South Carolina and there's a

724
00:31:22,009 --> 00:31:20,159
in South Carolina but a lot of those

725
00:31:24,139 --> 00:31:22,019
practitioners have to come into Savannah

726
00:31:26,899 --> 00:31:24,149
to do their work piggybacking off with

727
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:26,909
the the whole witch aspect Chris uh you

728
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:28,200
mentioned on her tour about another

729
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:30,330
location known as the witches graveyard

730
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:31,860
which is just south of Savannah

731
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:33,450
could you tell us a little about that

732
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:37,919
what's his graveyard was probably what

733
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:40,620
would what I would consider to be my

734
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,740
first legitimate investigation the

735
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,320
witch's graveyard is in Allenhurst

736
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,779
Georgia and it's about 45 miles south of

737
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:51,000
Savannah and I was in high school in

738
00:31:54,259 --> 00:31:53,460
Hinesville Georgia and as you can

739
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:54,269
imagine

740
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:55,980
Hinds Ville is not the most happening

741
00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:58,230
place in the world mm-hmm so you have to

742
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,750
find ways to entertain yourself or get

743
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:02,580
up to mischief and and the witch's

744
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:08,450
graveyard was this peculiar totally

745
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,480
word-of-mouth ghost story and it was

746
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:14,340
introduced to me I was I was having a

747
00:32:18,499 --> 00:32:16,529
party at my house at my sister who was

748
00:32:19,879 --> 00:32:18,509
in college at the time comes bursting

749
00:32:23,419 --> 00:32:19,889
into the house and she's white as a

750
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,429
sheet she's no Oh panicked because she's

751
00:32:28,369 --> 00:32:25,500
just had this very peculiar experience

752
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:28,379
and entity you know exclaims that she

753
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,820
had just been to the witch's graveyard

754
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:31,919
and so we're like whoa you know that's

755
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,690
so much better than a Hinesville party

756
00:32:39,639 --> 00:32:36,480
what are you talking about and uh and

757
00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:39,649
she's so the story as she told me was

758
00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:44,909
there's this graveyard in down a maze of

759
00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:49,169
dirt roads and on her strata where these

760
00:32:56,379 --> 00:32:52,649
three women were actually tried hanged

761
00:33:01,100 --> 00:32:56,389
and then their bodies burned in the late

762
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:01,110
1800s which is far past any time that

763
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:02,370
people witch trials are

764
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,650
anything like that on their bodies were

765
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,500
then put into boxes buried into the

766
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,600
ground and then they'd wrapped a cage

767
00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:11,760
around them the cage actually comes out

768
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:14,550
of the ground and is sealed outside of

769
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:17,100
the ground the tombstones are facing

770
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,930
away from the bodies to show that they

771
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:20,220
were they died at not in good standing

772
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:22,590
and so there's all this interesting

773
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:24,950
things but these three cages

774
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:28,440
side-by-side out of one cage a tree grew

775
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:30,270
and it broke open the cage

776
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:32,490
the second cage a thorn bush through

777
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:34,770
broke through the cage and in the third

778
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:39,600
nothing grew it was just sand and so she

779
00:33:44,419 --> 00:33:41,220
says you know if you go there at

780
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,429
midnight on a full moon you go to the

781
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:46,559
thorn bush and you're supposed to hear

782
00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:48,990
or see the witch of this around the

783
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,660
graveyard around the graves and so we're

784
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,640
like oh my god we gotta go come on let's

785
00:33:59,390 --> 00:33:56,580
go and so we had 12 people with us

786
00:34:02,240 --> 00:33:59,400
and we all went driving in a you know

787
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:02,250
caravan up to the witch's graveyard and

788
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:03,450
it was in the dead of night in the

789
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:05,550
middle of night and I'll never forget it

790
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:07,290
because it's the first time I ever heard

791
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:11,520
the wind howl I'd heard the phrase in

792
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:13,470
the wind howl but when we got out of the

793
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:16,379
car it sounded like a train in the

794
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:19,560
distance was coming at us the sound was

795
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,240
just resonating through the woods and

796
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:23,520
we're like are we close to train tracks

797
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,550
and I don't know and that's when we

798
00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:28,740
realized now it's the wind the wind is

799
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:31,950
literally whistling through the trees

800
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:34,139
and it came with such force that have

801
00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:36,600
broke through the tree line and we could

802
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:39,149
see leaves scattering and feel the wind

803
00:34:45,139 --> 00:34:42,710
flow past us and it was so eerie and so

804
00:34:48,619 --> 00:34:45,149
cinematic in a way and this was before

805
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:48,629
we even set foot in that cemetery now we

806
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:51,060
were armed with you know flashlights and

807
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:55,320
baseball bats and we had no real real

808
00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:57,810
concept of what we were in for they had

809
00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:00,150
old iron dates that made that horrible

810
00:35:05,110 --> 00:35:02,040
screeching sound in the middle of the

811
00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:05,120
night and we're walking in I get about

812
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:08,340
I'm thinking I'm a 10 feet in and my

813
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:11,240
friend Daphne is screaming she is

814
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:14,070
screaming bloody murder and now there

815
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:15,830
are 12 of us so we're all screaming

816
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:18,210
because you know one person can't scream

817
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:21,390
without everyone's course so uh we

818
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:23,970
rushed to her were trying lights on her

819
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:28,230
and she has sunk into the ground her leg

820
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,690
had gone completely into the ground all

821
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:33,180
the way to the hip in the ammeter and I

822
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:36,330
mean it was horrifying it was you know

823
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:38,970
that's super nightmare scenario so we

824
00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:41,400
pull her out and we'd shine our light

825
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:45,620
and there are these holes these very

826
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:50,070
suspicious holes all over some of them

827
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:52,530
leading directly into or out of graves

828
00:35:58,510 --> 00:35:56,640
as I okay this is already one of the

829
00:36:00,980 --> 00:35:58,520
worst things I've seen

830
00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:00,990
we start our trek through but of course

831
00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:02,430
Daphne is not going any further and

832
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,790
several people will I go further so as

833
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,740
we move along to the cemetery remember

834
00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:09,480
people just seeing things and feeling

835
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,580
things until finally there are only

836
00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:13,920
three of us at the actual which is

837
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,080
graves we're actually standing there

838
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:18,000
outside the witches graves and we're

839
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:19,650
looking at the the graves and it's just

840
00:36:23,540 --> 00:36:21,750
like they said the tree broke out of the

841
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:23,550
one a thorn bush broke out of another

842
00:36:28,850 --> 00:36:27,000
and then just plain sand in the third no

843
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:28,860
once we shined our lights on all of the

844
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:30,950
tombstones that were in the same line as

845
00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:36,180
are the same row at onto the empty grave

846
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:39,600
all the tombstones had fallen over and

847
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,090
it was this incredibly atmospheric

848
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:44,700
incredibly frightening sensation of

849
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:46,710
being in that cemetery this stillness

850
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:49,140
down the canopy of you know Oaks with

851
00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:51,900
Spanish moss it felt like we were in a

852
00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:54,360
cave spelunking and as we stood there in

853
00:37:00,920 --> 00:36:55,620
front of these graves

854
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:00,930
we heard the violent whispering of a

855
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,910
woman right in front of us right where

856
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:05,280
the thorn bush was and so I turned to my

857
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:10,170
sister I was like rod do it she just

858
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:13,950
started screaming bloody murder and so

859
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:16,290
we all screamed and we all ran but what

860
00:37:19,850 --> 00:37:18,120
was fascinating about I was everybody

861
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:19,860
had different experiences in the

862
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:21,720
cemetery well when we sat and we talked

863
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:22,920
as we were up all night until the Sun

864
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:25,250
came up everybody told a different

865
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:27,900
sensation a different feeling that they

866
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:28,510
had

867
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:31,150
that they saw things that they heard so

868
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:34,030
the the cemetery became kind of this hot

869
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:35,560
spot for us this place that we would

870
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:39,160
return to a time time again just to test

871
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:42,970
our our wits and see how well we could

872
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:44,200
keep it together and it's where I

873
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:48,250
learned more than anything that you

874
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:49,960
don't need to rely on equipment you

875
00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:52,180
don't need to rely on this this concept

876
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,740
that there's some kind of scientific

877
00:37:59,760 --> 00:37:57,040
chasing of ghosts to me that is kind of

878
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,770
folly in a way these are all questions

879
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:02,320
of faith and you can't quantify it nor

880
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,070
can you can you capture it you have to

881
00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:08,560
go with what you feel and what you sense

882
00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:12,340
and and trust it otherwise you're not

883
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:14,590
dealing with faith you can cut anything

884
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,770
to pieces everything to pieces in fact

885
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:20,800
you know a lot of times I watch your

886
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:22,690
ghost hunting shows where they spend all

887
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:24,310
the time debunking things and it's like

888
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:25,930
but you're kind of missing the point

889
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:27,910
kind of missing that somebody is

890
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:30,910
terrorized terrified and you can say

891
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:32,650
well it's just this wire that's causing

892
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,450
this magnetic thing and that's what's

893
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:36,400
happening but that's not addressing the

894
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:37,150
terror

895
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:40,420
that's not addressing their perception

896
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:42,490
that's addressing a condition or symptom

897
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:47,950
it's a chicken in the egg situation you

898
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:51,250
have to allow for the idea that we are

899
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:54,220
very highly attuned instruments human

900
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:56,770
body we have so many things that

901
00:39:00,750 --> 00:38:59,500
perceive and connect and things that we

902
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:00,760
don't even understand because that we

903
00:39:03,330 --> 00:39:02,530
don't even know about yet are you going

904
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,340
to a room and you're like there's

905
00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:05,200
something wrong here that's something

906
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:08,860
worth you know paying attention to Chris

907
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:11,290
yeah the belief behind the cages over

908
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:14,530
the graves is fascinating to me the myth

909
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:17,470
of the story of the belief behind it the

910
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:20,770
belief was obviously that as long as the

911
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,070
cage itself was intact hole that the

912
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:27,760
witches bad spirit or her ghost could

913
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:30,790
not come out but the puncturing of the

914
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:33,100
cage even partially with the bushes and

915
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:35,770
the tree then they could escape was that

916
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:37,750
the thinking behind that that's

917
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:39,370
basically they conceived the idea is

918
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:42,190
that by closing the cage the spirits

919
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:45,420
wreak havoc and over the the course of

920
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:49,630
hundred years or so from the the cages

921
00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:52,810
were broken open and have they been

922
00:40:00,420 --> 00:39:57,160
fixed now well unfortunately our

923
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:00,430
adventures became the adventures of many

924
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,950
many people past us and behind us and uh

925
00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:05,440
and what's fascinating to me and I'll

926
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:07,960
never understand this when you come

927
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:09,850
across something like this a story like

928
00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:12,750
this almost immediately people choose

929
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:16,360
vandalism deep exploitation people

930
00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:18,760
choose you know in the years that

931
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:21,160
followed people stole the tombstones

932
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:24,190
people you know clicked away pieces of

933
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:27,730
the tree of the the thorn bush it became

934
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:30,310
such a havoc because it is a very it's a

935
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,010
in truth with a lovely small little

936
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:36,880
cemetery in a rural setting that was

937
00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:40,720
seventy you know ground zero for bored

938
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:43,780
teenagers everywhere mm-hmm and you know

939
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:46,510
a lot of the stories that I tell I

940
00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:50,320
regret telling often times I have told a

941
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:53,620
story where later I have found out that

942
00:40:59,790 --> 00:40:57,010
people have broken in or done damage or

943
00:41:01,500 --> 00:40:59,800
you know become obsessive over it and

944
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:01,510
it's that obsessive quality sometimes

945
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,820
helps prove that the place has some

946
00:41:09,930 --> 00:41:05,680
merit because somebody getting that

947
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,940
obsessed over it is fascinating but at

948
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:11,920
the same time I feel this guilt because

949
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:15,370
I told that story and now you know that

950
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:17,050
story is causing people to think that

951
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:21,190
they they own the right to do damage to

952
00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:23,620
it really good point yeah I mean it's

953
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:25,480
almost it's cyclical in a way like we

954
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:27,910
want these stories out there but in turn

955
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:29,860
you know at what cost

956
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:32,200
you know exactly with other

957
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:34,660
investigators or people who think

958
00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:35,890
they're ghost hunters and aren't

959
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:38,200
responsible and start fires or this or

960
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:38,380
that

961
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:41,770
so exactly you know we have a house in

962
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:44,050
Savannah where people break in all the

963
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:47,530
time and and they think they offices and

964
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,870
it's been on fire like ten times since

965
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:52,000
I've been here because people go in

966
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:53,590
there with their candles and they they

967
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:55,570
sit around and and they try to get

968
00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:55,930
things in

969
00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:57,700
freak out they run and they leave their

970
00:42:01,290 --> 00:41:58,780
candles there or they knock their

971
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:01,300
candles over and it's like you don't

972
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:08,110
have the right to damage a place there's

973
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:11,800
no reason to to assume that because your

974
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:15,760
capacity is so great that it warrants

975
00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:18,250
the destruction or or even the trespass

976
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:19,720
of a place and I have been guilty of it

977
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:23,470
I admit it I I am I use I trust a lot

978
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:25,930
I was arrested four times for being in

979
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:28,630
the wrong place because I felt compelled

980
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:32,040
I feel this you know uh compulsion to

981
00:42:38,370 --> 00:42:35,410
seek out these things but not

982
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,380
necessarily so that I can televise or

983
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:40,720
broadcast them it's really for my own

984
00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:41,740
peace

985
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:45,100
I guess touching backers on that sort of

986
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:47,560
innate feeling of something either being

987
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,070
wrong or not right and not quantifying

988
00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:53,680
it in terms of science um have you ever

989
00:43:00,030 --> 00:42:56,980
had on a tour or investigation something

990
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:00,040
so intense or dangerous that you had to

991
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:02,940
stop you know shut it down we're done

992
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,110
has that as anything like that ever

993
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:08,560
happened to you oh yes actually many

994
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:11,230
times I am what you would call a runner

995
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:14,830
I feel that there is a point at which

996
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:19,930
the the activity can be too much not

997
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:21,850
even for like physical harm it's just

998
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:25,480
what your mind can handle what what what

999
00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:29,650
you want to deal with like what comes to

1000
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:31,120
my mind most is I was giving a ghost

1001
00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:34,180
tour and we went into the Moon River

1002
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:35,860
Brewing Company right there on Bay

1003
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:37,780
Street in Savannah Georgia it's pretty

1004
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:39,130
well-known oh it's been on ghost

1005
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:40,810
adventurers and ghost hunters and so

1006
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:43,570
there's a lot of press about how haunted

1007
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:45,310
a place it is and it is it's a

1008
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:48,730
remarkably haunted place and I remember

1009
00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:52,050
that we were telling my stories had my

1010
00:43:59,370 --> 00:43:57,100
tour group of about 20 30 people and

1011
00:44:01,980 --> 00:43:59,380
there's one guy who almost immediately

1012
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:01,990
like sat down and whorin he just seemed

1013
00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:04,390
like he was off and his wife you know I

1014
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:06,340
remember literally stopping saying is he

1015
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:07,660
okay and his wife saying oh well you

1016
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:09,010
know we had some seafood maybe that's

1017
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:09,400
not

1018
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:15,420
middle of telling a story this man

1019
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:20,260
shouts belay the mass it's what he said

1020
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:23,880
belay in the mass and his wife ran

1021
00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:27,100
behind me and I was like what's wrong

1022
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:29,380
and she said that is not my husband's

1023
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:31,470
voice mm-hmm

1024
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,760
and then he he retched as if he were

1025
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:39,760
vomiting and we even heard what sounded

1026
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:41,140
like something hitting the floor wet

1027
00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:43,330
hitting the floor but there was nothing

1028
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:45,790
there and so we had to like pick him up

1029
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:48,130
you know she told him out carry him out

1030
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:50,200
of the building and when we got outside

1031
00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:51,850
we kind of walked around the corner and

1032
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:54,340
and he started to get his wits about him

1033
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:55,870
and he was literally like what happened

1034
00:45:00,030 --> 00:44:58,090
I don't remember how how did we get out

1035
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:00,040
here and I was pretty much like okay

1036
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:00,910
ladies and gentleman that's the end of

1037
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,300
the whole election of anything he

1038
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,760
remembers going into Moon River but he

1039
00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:11,440
doesn't remember anything of the

1040
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:13,240
activities the stories or certainly

1041
00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:20,680
saying believe the mass yeah all right

1042
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:26,610
Christmas you've already shared an

1043
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:28,660
incredible story from Germany that one's

1044
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:30,430
gonna be on my mind for a couple weeks

1045
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:33,250
do you have any other interesting or

1046
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,830
creepy stories from from the road or

1047
00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:37,680
from another country that you can share

1048
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:42,100
absolutely the story that I kind of hold

1049
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:45,820
on to a lot because of the implications

1050
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:52,030
of it is in Cota Seba Libya while I was

1051
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:54,190
in the Army we were stationed in the

1052
00:45:58,830 --> 00:45:56,140
positive Bolivia and we had to to

1053
00:46:02,670 --> 00:45:58,840
evacuate up into policy and policy is up

1054
00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:02,680
in the mountains it's its way up its the

1055
00:46:07,710 --> 00:46:04,780
Andes Mountains and as we are moving

1056
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:07,720
from the the city of POTUS II to our

1057
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:09,850
camp which was actually an old silver

1058
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:12,430
camp we had to make passage through this

1059
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:16,930
narrow canyon aryl Canyon was was it gor

1060
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:18,790
good at both ends there was a there was

1061
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:21,310
an arm that stretched over the road

1062
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:25,420
and there is this you know machine-gun

1063
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:28,930
army official at each end and so going

1064
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:31,030
in we're like what is this or active

1065
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:32,650
asking our guide the guy driving like

1066
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:34,420
what's going on why is this is it go

1067
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:37,930
it's you know Tio's Canyon no one can go

1068
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:40,810
through it at night it's illegal to pass

1069
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:45,340
through at night and say okay so as

1070
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:46,990
we're driving along the top of the

1071
00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:50,530
canyon on both sides were covered in a

1072
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,860
low white fence but the white fence was

1073
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:56,800
peculiar and looked strange it was oddly

1074
00:47:01,410 --> 00:46:59,050
made and it took us a while to realize

1075
00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:01,420
that it was actually those those crosses

1076
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:02,860
that you see on the sides of the road

1077
00:47:07,350 --> 00:47:05,050
when there's been an auto accident they

1078
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:07,360
were lining the top of the canyon so

1079
00:47:12,990 --> 00:47:09,610
thickly that they just looked like a

1080
00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:13,000
short white wall so again to our guy

1081
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:14,320
we're like excuse me what is that what

1082
00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:16,600
what are what are those things and I was

1083
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:20,200
like oh each cross represents a person

1084
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:22,780
who has died in the canyon but when

1085
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,050
you're looking it's it's imperceptible

1086
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:27,280
thousands upon thousands hundreds of

1087
00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:29,110
thousands upon hundreds of thousands as

1088
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:31,060
you're going through the canyon because

1089
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:33,490
it is you know several miles of canyon

1090
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:36,310
and so we're like what happened to them

1091
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:40,450
and he answers as do kills though now

1092
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:40,990
taeo

1093
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:43,990
means uncle until it's uncle's Canyon

1094
00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:45,900
and we're like well that's really weird

1095
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:49,060
so we're pulling around a corner of the

1096
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:52,050
canyon and on this wall of the canyon

1097
00:48:01,860 --> 00:47:57,850
there is painted a 30-foot tall portrait

1098
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:01,870
of the devil mm-hmm headed goat leg

1099
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:05,890
human torso devil you're looking at it

1100
00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:11,320
you're like what the hell is that why is

1101
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:14,320
that the devil is your uncle a sigh oh

1102
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:17,080
you know we don't call them that and so

1103
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,210
we come out the other end coming out of

1104
00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:20,800
the other end you know the armed guard

1105
00:48:23,730 --> 00:48:21,400
there too

1106
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:23,740
and we go up to our campsite and it

1107
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:27,670
plagues us what we have seen there is no

1108
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:30,490
way we're not going to go back to

1109
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,310
Devil's Canyon as we called it from that

1110
00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:34,800
Devil's Canyon

1111
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,000
so me and a group of friends we decide

1112
00:48:45,450 --> 00:48:40,079
to hike down and take a closer look now

1113
00:48:48,329 --> 00:48:45,460
I'd say that metric time on foot versus

1114
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:48,339
in a vehicle I'm not great at so it took

1115
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:50,020
us much longer to get to Devil's Canyon

1116
00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:53,380
the guard there agreed to let us in

1117
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:55,060
knowing that we would come right back to

1118
00:48:59,550 --> 00:48:56,260
that guard was where we were trying to

1119
00:49:02,490 --> 00:48:59,560
walk the whole length and so finally I

1120
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:02,500
was like okay don't worry about it we're

1121
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,880
just going to go to the painting we'd

1122
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:06,160
like to look at the painting up close so

1123
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:09,730
as we get there we're walking and the

1124
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:13,030
Sun is moving extraordinarily fast and

1125
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:15,670
we're realizing we are hedging our bets

1126
00:49:20,430 --> 00:49:17,230
getting into this Canyon we need to get

1127
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,440
out so the Sun is setting just casting

1128
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:22,240
the shadow in the canyon so inside the

1129
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:24,190
canyon it's already kind of dark so we

1130
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:26,410
start running back now we're running

1131
00:49:33,660 --> 00:49:30,280
back at such a pace but still time was

1132
00:49:36,450 --> 00:49:33,670
going so fast the Sun had set the stars

1133
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:36,460
were showing the night was full on and

1134
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:39,490
we're running and we're running back

1135
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:42,190
towards the guard post we see the guard

1136
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:43,210
post and we're trying to get to the

1137
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:46,329
guard post and the guard comes out with

1138
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:49,930
his weapon up and we're screaming you

1139
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:54,310
know Americans know it's us it's us it's

1140
00:50:00,750 --> 00:49:57,790
us and he begins to fire but up a baton

1141
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:00,760
but it back but it's obvious he's not

1142
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:04,260
shooting at us he's shooting beyond us

1143
00:50:08,550 --> 00:50:06,460
because as we get there he's still

1144
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:08,560
shooting we're at the guard post and

1145
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:10,210
he's shooting and we're shouting at him

1146
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:11,770
what are you shooting at what are you

1147
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:16,569
shooting at he shrugs and says LTO so we

1148
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:19,300
turn in the look and just past the halo

1149
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:20,710
of the light from the guard tower just

1150
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:23,849
past into the darkness there is a mass

1151
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,490
moving in the shadows and it is massive

1152
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:29,920
it's huge and we don't we can't make it

1153
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:32,880
out it looks like a ox or something

1154
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:35,680
but you get the sensation that even in

1155
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:37,930
the dimness of the darkness even in the

1156
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:42,310
in the full cover of night that whatever

1157
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:45,970
it is it's red so we take the the hike

1158
00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:47,840
back up to our camp and the whole

1159
00:50:53,590 --> 00:50:50,260
time were like what do you think it was

1160
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:53,600
one of my friends is adamant he said I

1161
00:50:59,620 --> 00:50:56,960
know what it is you know what it is that

1162
00:51:02,050 --> 00:50:59,630
was the devil and I've never really been

1163
00:51:03,550 --> 00:51:02,060
able to shake it I've never been able to

1164
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:03,560
admit that yes that was the devil but I

1165
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:07,550
do I do consider it and I think in my

1166
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:10,730
life there been three times when I saw

1167
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:12,860
something that I would consider that I

1168
00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:15,230
would deeply consider could have been

1169
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:17,300
the devil and Chris when you go to these

1170
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,450
locations are you guys usually snapping

1171
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:22,400
photos and have you ever caught anything

1172
00:51:28,810 --> 00:51:25,660
on a photo that was very questionable I

1173
00:51:31,330 --> 00:51:28,820
take it but gajillions of pictures in my

1174
00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:31,340
life but you know what's fascinating is

1175
00:51:37,540 --> 00:51:35,060
I don't don't use equipment a lot and

1176
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:37,550
that's much to my discredit I mean well

1177
00:51:41,530 --> 00:51:40,040
I have equipment I love using go

1178
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,540
something is actually very boring some

1179
00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:43,280
people want to believe that I mean oh

1180
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:45,350
these are a handful of stories out of

1181
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,270
thousand thousands of investigations

1182
00:51:54,370 --> 00:51:48,800
which were just me standing in the dark

1183
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:54,380
going so if you have equipment equipment

1184
00:52:03,070 --> 00:51:58,610
makes the time go by quicker but in in

1185
00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:03,080
essence I always rely on the experience

1186
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:07,640
I find the experience more rewarding

1187
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:11,540
when you are present honored to hunting

1188
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:13,670
when you're not actually hunting when

1189
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:14,810
what you're doing is you're presenting

1190
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,090
yourself to the idea to the notion and

1191
00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:20,240
to the place and in that I feel there is

1192
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:23,600
a sincere conversation with the universe

1193
00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:26,810
there's a sincere shedding of your

1194
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:29,360
cynicism because there's something about

1195
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:33,410
investigating that becomes about proof

1196
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:36,800
and if you are only looking for proof I

1197
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:38,620
think you'll have a hard time finding it

1198
00:52:45,790 --> 00:52:42,220
you know ghosts often get a bad rap and

1199
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:45,800
it's usually the the scare factor if

1200
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:50,330
those ghosts helping people in in your

1201
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:53,330
opinion is there any interesting cases

1202
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,730
where a ghost has helped someone versus

1203
00:53:01,440 --> 00:52:58,160
frighten them I will go ahead and say

1204
00:53:03,390 --> 00:53:01,450
that I mean I've interviewed 10

1205
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:03,400
and thousands of people about ghost

1206
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:05,170
experiences I have talked to so many

1207
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:08,520
people about it and in the large-scale

1208
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:12,430
percentage those are overwhelmingly good

1209
00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:17,050
I'd say 95% of all ghost stories are

1210
00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:20,680
good ghost stories the 5% that are

1211
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:22,780
terrible they are the ones that people

1212
00:53:27,390 --> 00:53:25,000
like to tell they're the ones that

1213
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:27,400
people really you know get around the

1214
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:30,460
campfire to listen to but the rest of

1215
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:32,380
them because a lot of people don't even

1216
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:33,910
think they're gross stories a lot of

1217
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:35,260
people don't even realize they're ghost

1218
00:53:37,770 --> 00:53:35,770
stories

1219
00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:37,780
the most common ghost story to me goes

1220
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:40,300
like this on the night my Blanc died

1221
00:53:44,849 --> 00:53:42,910
visited me in a dream on the night my

1222
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:44,859
grandmother died on the night my husband

1223
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:46,660
died on the night my cousin died they

1224
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:47,640
came to me in a dream

1225
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,660
usually to speak words of comfort

1226
00:53:55,550 --> 00:53:51,839
usually to say I love you

1227
00:53:59,069 --> 00:53:55,560
to me those are ghost stories and to me

1228
00:54:01,380 --> 00:53:59,079
they represent the most likely cause of

1229
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:01,390
hauntings people talk about onion

1230
00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:05,500
finished business yes your unfinished

1231
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:08,470
business isn't going to always be that

1232
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:10,569
you were brutally murdered a very small

1233
00:54:14,579 --> 00:54:12,250
percentage of the human population is

1234
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:14,589
brutally murdered so who are you going

1235
00:54:17,940 --> 00:54:16,569
to try to contact who are you going to

1236
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,950
go after what are you gonna do you're

1237
00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:19,599
gonna travel the lines that meant most

1238
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:22,900
you're gonna go through love and find

1239
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,410
those people and try to connect one last

1240
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,480
time so you always hear these stories oh

1241
00:54:33,329 --> 00:54:30,400
my grandmother she's always you know

1242
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,339
with me I sensed this and you hear all

1243
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,200
these stories my favorite one was I was

1244
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:37,839
interviewing a guy and he was talking

1245
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:41,260
about when his father died and how his

1246
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:46,150
father in a dream told him to go to his

1247
00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:47,500
grandfather's house

1248
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:49,960
his father's father's house on the back

1249
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:52,630
porch there are wooden steps the middle

1250
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:57,750
step pry it open and inside the the step

1251
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:01,359
were was a whole huge container of

1252
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:03,970
jewelry worth hundreds of thousands of

1253
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:06,550
dollars and I kept asking it was like

1254
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,390
what do you think that might have been a

1255
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:09,760
latent memory you know maybe you had

1256
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:10,900
heard that before

1257
00:55:17,819 --> 00:55:15,550
in my life and the house didn't even

1258
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:17,829
belong to the family anymore so he like

1259
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:22,050
snuck up on property pried up a step I

1260
00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:24,910
got this box and he even know what was

1261
00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:26,380
in it until he got home and opened it

1262
00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:29,560
so I hear stories like that a lot well

1263
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:30,760
not like that I mean that was a pretty

1264
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,490
significant one but I hear stories about

1265
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:34,960
family members come in to comfort family

1266
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,319
members coming to insole and to express

1267
00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:41,200
that they that that there's love and

1268
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:43,000
this is something that we discuss on

1269
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:45,970
into the fray quite a bit do you think

1270
00:55:51,059 --> 00:55:47,369
there's a connection at all between

1271
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,069
ghosts aliens correctives anything else

1272
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,400
paranormal I believe that we live in a

1273
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:57,520
world defined by our perception our

1274
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:00,880
perception can lock out things we just

1275
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:04,540
choose not to have exist and I think

1276
00:56:11,309 --> 00:56:07,170
that society as a whole has grown

1277
00:56:14,550 --> 00:56:11,319
through this method of closing doors to

1278
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:14,560
the incredible closing doors to things

1279
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:18,280
that are transmitting on a different

1280
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:20,290
wavelength a different reality a

1281
00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:24,130
different sense of what can be and I

1282
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:26,260
think that our brains are so finely

1283
00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:29,460
attuned that we can adjust and tighten

1284
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:32,619
what is and isn't perceptible for real

1285
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:34,810
so I believe that that until these

1286
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:36,790
things people are open to or they get

1287
00:56:41,309 --> 00:56:38,560
kind of like hit in the head by

1288
00:56:44,609 --> 00:56:41,319
something or there's some external thing

1289
00:56:46,109 --> 00:56:44,619
that causes them to sort of step out of

1290
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,119
the perception that they've been trained

1291
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:48,160
into that they have been indoctrinated

1292
00:56:54,809 --> 00:56:52,560
in to allow for a wider span of vision

1293
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:54,819
when we talk about all the time like we

1294
00:57:01,260 --> 00:56:57,970
know scientifically that our eyes can

1295
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:01,270
only see a certain level of light and

1296
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,650
beyond that the spectrum of light goes

1297
00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:05,920
left right and in all directions why do

1298
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:07,869
we not think that that's true for the

1299
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,329
perception of everything so in a lot of

1300
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,599
ways I think that we have these starting

1301
00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:15,760
in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance

1302
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:18,790
and as people began to to bolster

1303
00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:21,540
themselves against evil spirits

1304
00:57:26,579 --> 00:57:24,670
and-and-and things that confuse them or

1305
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:26,589
frighten them they start to shine

1306
00:57:30,479 --> 00:57:28,630
I doubt and they made it the societal

1307
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:30,489
norm that these things do not exist

1308
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,430
trained that these things do not exist I

1309
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,200
would have to agree with you of course I

1310
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:38,319
I feel like we're sort of conditioned to

1311
00:57:45,269 --> 00:57:41,160
think oh so logically when in reality

1312
00:57:47,459 --> 00:57:45,279
our reality itself is illogical and like

1313
00:57:50,249 --> 00:57:47,469
you said the perception is a filtering

1314
00:57:53,309 --> 00:57:50,259
mechanism in a way so I think once we

1315
00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:53,319
open up to that and each individual has

1316
00:57:58,349 --> 00:57:55,900
an experience that's our disclosure

1317
00:58:01,049 --> 00:57:58,359
whether it's aliens cryptids ghosts

1318
00:58:03,209 --> 00:58:01,059
that's our just personal disclosure sort

1319
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:03,219
of influencing the collective

1320
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:05,170
consciousness as it were so I would have

1321
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:07,150
to agree wholeheartedly with that I

1322
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:09,670
always compare it to a radio radio has

1323
00:58:14,219 --> 00:58:11,529
all these stations on it but in order to

1324
00:58:15,749 --> 00:58:14,229
be included in society at large we all

1325
00:58:16,349 --> 00:58:15,759
have to be on the same channel the same

1326
00:58:19,229 --> 00:58:16,359
station

1327
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:19,239
so we'll say you know 105.3 is the

1328
00:58:23,069 --> 00:58:21,640
reality station but there are still all

1329
00:58:25,859 --> 00:58:23,079
these broadcasts in all these other

1330
00:58:28,229 --> 00:58:25,869
stations and let's say you you know get

1331
00:58:31,469 --> 00:58:28,239
into an accident and now you're on 105

1332
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,479
point four there you have perception of

1333
00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:32,799
something else something further

1334
00:58:35,789 --> 00:58:33,700
something greater

1335
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:35,799
you're still have enough of perception

1336
00:58:38,579 --> 00:58:37,150
of the reality but you have this other

1337
00:58:41,579 --> 00:58:38,589
thing but if you went all the way up to

1338
00:58:43,529 --> 00:58:41,589
like 107.9 you would be crazy

1339
00:58:46,019 --> 00:58:43,539
no you would be able to relate to

1340
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:46,029
reality you would be so far from the

1341
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:47,410
reality that everyone else except says

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00:58:53,999 --> 00:58:50,249
norm that you would be incomprehensible

1343
00:58:57,479 --> 00:58:54,009
so I do think that we are we are dealing

1344
00:58:59,569 --> 00:58:57,489
with a constructed reality I do believe

1345
00:59:04,410 --> 00:58:59,579
that the human mind is more powerful

1346
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,420
then we give it credit for do you think

1347
00:59:08,190 --> 00:59:06,640
a lot of it is our imagining or

1348
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,200
projecting things from our own mind

1349
00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:10,960
absolutely I believe that it's not even

1350
00:59:17,249 --> 00:59:15,009
in reference it's like radar you put

1351
00:59:20,009 --> 00:59:17,259
something out boom it goes out and when

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00:59:21,539 --> 00:59:20,019
it hits something it gives it shape but

1353
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:21,549
a lot of people don't use that radar

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:22,619
though a lot of people don't put it out

1355
00:59:27,089 --> 00:59:25,450
people aren't trying like what the most

1356
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:27,099
fascinating phenomenons to me are people

1357
00:59:32,249 --> 00:59:29,950
who really really want to see ghosts or

1358
00:59:34,219 --> 00:59:32,259
UFOs or something but never do that

1359
00:59:38,609 --> 00:59:34,229
phenomenon is fascinating to me because

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00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:38,619
I wonder what is there an inhibiting

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00:59:41,590 --> 00:59:39,710
factor

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00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:41,600
and what I've learned from many of them

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00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:44,600
is that they have a genuine disbelief

1364
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,360
what they're looking for is something to

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00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:50,240
make them believe and it's a healthy it

1366
00:59:53,950 --> 00:59:52,250
works that way I don't think it's seeing

1367
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:53,960
is believing I think it's believing is

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00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:54,590
seeing

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00:59:59,530 --> 00:59:56,150
of course what are your thoughts on

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01:00:01,180 --> 00:59:59,540
poltergeist activity tied to maybe a

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01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,190
young woman going through puberty

1372
01:00:05,710 --> 01:00:02,960
I've heard that attributed many a times

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01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:05,720
I I have many stories that seem to

1374
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:08,090
corroborate that sort I and I think that

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01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:11,350
it's it's it makes perfect sense because

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01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:16,760
this specific purpose of puberty is is

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01:00:24,310 --> 01:00:20,960
the awakening of the human body to be

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01:00:27,460 --> 01:00:24,320
ready to create new life is becoming a

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:27,470
doorway for a new soul and whether you

1380
01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:29,210
want to be scientific about it it's it

1381
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:33,320
literally is becoming a part of a line a

1382
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:38,090
lineage a whole of humanity and it makes

1383
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:41,630
sense that at the time and real far more

1384
01:00:46,990 --> 01:00:44,630
for women than men you know men do not

1385
01:00:48,550 --> 01:00:47,000
have to bear the life they do not have

1386
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:48,560
to carry the lot if they do not have to

1387
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:52,610
nourish and you know have this thing so

1388
01:01:01,300 --> 01:00:56,290
it is this idea of an amazing threshold

1389
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:01,310
that that the heightened sensibilities

1390
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:04,130
that come from it you know not just the

1391
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:06,770
hormones not just the body chain the

1392
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:09,110
fact that you are becoming a vessel for

1393
01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:13,760
life must have a profound effect on your

1394
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:16,840
spiritual sensitivity on your

1395
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:20,090
environmental sensitivity I've heard so

1396
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:22,070
many stories that seemed to suggest that

1397
01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:25,130
that is the truth that during that

1398
01:01:29,650 --> 01:01:27,380
period the heightened nosov it the

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01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,660
hysteria of it people saw you know it's

1400
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:31,280
about time that they turned into

1401
01:01:39,490 --> 01:01:35,690
witchcraft is because you become open to

1402
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:39,500
a possibility that that is frankly

1403
01:01:45,580 --> 01:01:43,250
miraculously which is beyond compare you

1404
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:45,590
can't come up with a more miraculous

1405
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:50,900
event then having a child grow inside

1406
01:01:55,449 --> 01:01:53,089
you a human being

1407
01:01:57,729 --> 01:01:55,459
so my guess is preparing the body for

1408
01:02:00,939 --> 01:01:57,739
that is also a spiritual journey is also

1409
01:02:03,759 --> 01:02:00,949
a preternatural thing it's a

1410
01:02:05,949 --> 01:02:03,769
supernatural thing you know I I hate

1411
01:02:08,229 --> 01:02:05,959
that science thinks that they can

1412
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:08,239
explain something and then rob it of its

1413
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,130
miracle because they know how it happens

1414
01:02:14,769 --> 01:02:12,079
they think it makes it commonplace

1415
01:02:16,839 --> 01:02:14,779
somehow no it's no less magic just

1416
01:02:20,169 --> 01:02:16,849
because you can explain it and that is

1417
01:02:22,539 --> 01:02:20,179
the fallacy of science to me the fallacy

1418
01:02:25,529 --> 01:02:22,549
of science is the suggestion that things

1419
01:02:27,789 --> 01:02:25,539
are not wonder that they are not aw

1420
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:27,799
they're not magic

1421
01:02:33,009 --> 01:02:30,410
you just look behind the curtain a

1422
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:33,019
wonderful point Chris in terms of those

1423
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:36,140
who want to look behind that curtain or

1424
01:02:40,689 --> 01:02:37,849
that veil as it were um where do you

1425
01:02:44,620 --> 01:02:40,699
suggest they go where do people turn to

1426
01:02:47,439 --> 01:02:44,630
to investigate hauntings or or ghosts

1427
01:02:49,059 --> 01:02:47,449
quote-unquote hunting um what is the

1428
01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:49,069
responsible way to go about this and

1429
01:02:52,569 --> 01:02:50,390
where do you think they should turn you

1430
01:02:56,609 --> 01:02:52,579
know the easiest way to do it is and and

1431
01:02:59,140 --> 01:02:56,619
you know god bless the Internet because

1432
01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:59,150
when I started there was no such thing

1433
01:03:06,009 --> 01:03:01,579
and and it was really just finding

1434
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:06,019
creepy places and breaking and what you

1435
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:08,900
do is you you find locations and there

1436
01:03:11,259 --> 01:03:10,249
plenty of public locations that you

1437
01:03:13,179 --> 01:03:11,269
could probably find there are plenty of

1438
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:13,189
places you know that there's a little

1439
01:03:16,479 --> 01:03:15,170
out in the woods and stuff but you find

1440
01:03:18,910 --> 01:03:16,489
a place that interest you that intrigues

1441
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:18,920
you that's near you and you find the

1442
01:03:22,809 --> 01:03:20,209
people responsible for the care tape

1443
01:03:25,299 --> 01:03:22,819
they know that any last permission and a

1444
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:25,309
lot of times they're very open they like

1445
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,170
having stories they like these things

1446
01:03:29,739 --> 01:03:29,119
sometimes they don't know yeah you have

1447
01:03:31,419 --> 01:03:29,749
to give it to them

1448
01:03:33,729 --> 01:03:31,429
but a lot of times people are very quick

1449
01:03:35,259 --> 01:03:33,739
to say oh sure you can come in and take

1450
01:03:38,289 --> 01:03:35,269
a look around I mean we've had amazing

1451
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:38,299
success with going to museums went to

1452
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:40,609
the st. Augustine lighthouse and they

1453
01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:43,130
let us in overnight and and with nobody

1454
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:44,630
we're not you know it's not like we're

1455
01:03:48,729 --> 01:03:46,729
insured or bonded we're just you know

1456
01:03:52,839 --> 01:03:48,739
people who are like really interested in

1457
01:03:55,799 --> 01:03:52,849
getting stories together and so I do say

1458
01:03:58,419 --> 01:03:55,809
suggests you know you can join local

1459
01:04:01,120 --> 01:03:58,429
usually there's within driving distance

1460
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:01,130
of everyone a paranormal investigating

1461
01:04:08,810 --> 01:04:05,850
group or you can strike out on your own

1462
01:04:11,420 --> 01:04:08,820
and contact people who are in charge of

1463
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:11,430
locations that have haunted histories

1464
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:15,240
and I'm Reed Reed multicam on the

1465
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,220
subject due diligence as much as I can I

1466
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:19,680
do go to the archives I do try to read

1467
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:21,810
up on buildings just try not to get

1468
01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:25,110
discouraged because it's very very

1469
01:04:29,330 --> 01:04:27,720
difficult you know ghost hunting shows

1470
01:04:31,850 --> 01:04:29,340
make it look really easy to find the

1471
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:31,860
history of a place and let it go well as

1472
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:34,110
you can see in 1906 this person was you

1473
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:39,330
know brutally murdered here where can

1474
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:40,890
people find out more about you and what

1475
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:48,330
you do I'm around just about Chris Lucy

1476
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:50,310
or Christopher s you see I don't

1477
01:04:56,180 --> 01:04:52,710
actually have a website per se I do I

1478
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:56,190
did run a show this Lana theater which

1479
01:05:00,440 --> 01:04:58,050
was a late night goes storytelling

1480
01:05:02,060 --> 01:05:00,450
session because of my thing that I

1481
01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:02,070
really love is the idea that

1482
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:05,310
storytelling can be kept alive and and I

1483
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:07,140
think those stories you have this

1484
01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:10,440
wonderful venue for people pay attention

1485
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:12,270
and be and be enraptured by just walkers

1486
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:15,240
you know just just a storyteller and an

1487
01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:17,130
audience and those things to me are

1488
01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:21,030
really super valuable so I do you a lot

1489
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:23,070
of storytelling around the region so if

1490
01:05:25,610 --> 01:05:23,640
you look me up

1491
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:25,620
you should find me I'm not I'm not

1492
01:05:29,420 --> 01:05:27,090
invisible well you're a wonderful

1493
01:05:31,610 --> 01:05:29,430
storyteller at Chris thank you so much

1494
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:31,620
for joining Ryan and I today thank you

1495
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:36,930
very much for having me that's it for

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01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:38,700
this week's first installment of

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01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:41,700
somewhere on the spooky ground if you're

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01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,710
ever in the city of Savannah Georgia be

1499
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:45,660
sure to look up chris susie for a ghost

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:49,290
tour you'll never forget if you have a

1501
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:52,050
ghost story to tell I'd love to hear

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01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:54,390
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